Since I have a large collection of interviews I thought I might put a few of them up here since this blog has been a bit neglected. Here's a transcript of the first audio interview I did from maybe 16 years ago:
A Couple of Pints at the
Quart Pot
or
Big Toys and Alien Creatures
Neal Asher is a classic
overnight success; he was signed by Pan Macmillan in 2000 after twenty
years working his way up through the small presses. (A number of his early pieces were, in fact,
published by Pigasus (link).) His novels
show the depth of background Asher has developed over the course of that
time, with centuries of history and oodles of technology alongside quite a
collection of nonsense names. The
setting of all three novels has become known as the Runcible Universe as this
is the name Asher has given to the gateway device normally used for travel
between worlds. These devices, and much
else in the Human Polity, are actually controlled by Artificial
Intelligences. Gridlinked (2001)
and The Line of Polity (2003) each use the idea that some humans don’t
like this idea, but the centre of the novels - as with The Skinner
(2002) - is in encounters with the alien.
They are highly readable, fast paced and gripping books with subtly
complex plots and well realised settings.
I met Neal in deepest Essex,
where he has lived all his life, for his first face-to-face interview and,
settling down in the leather chairs of the Quart Pot, began by asking how much
of Neal’s short work was set in runcible universe.
Well, bits of the ideas
involved are in all my stories, but those definitely not involving
runcibles … probably a third, something like that. In fact, my next book isn’t set in that
universe.
Is it completely new
territory or something you’ve looked at in short stories before?
It’s called Cowl. I
did it as a novella ages ago. Someone
was aiming to publish it back then but they gave up on their little
venture and it just sat in my files - novellas are particularly difficult to
get published. When it came for me to do
the second contract with Macmillan, I thought ‘well I’d like another three book
contract please, better think about what I’m going to do.’ I like to alternate things a bit, I don’t
like to stick with Cormac all the time.
I thought of that novella because there are so many ideas in it that
needed to be developed. Lots of toys, I loved it and thought it could be a
book, really. There’s only one short
story related to it, ‘The Torbeast’s Prison’ published in Kimota.
Cowl is time travel, but it’s big time travel. There are a
lot of time travel stories completely wrapped up in human history but there’s
an awful lot more time before that.
In my reading I like things like Hawksbill Station by Silverberg [also
published as The Anvil of Time], where they were banging criminals back to the
time of the trilobites. It’s been around
for a while [first published in 1967] but I just like that sort of ‘big time’.
My book involves very far future humans travelling back, and a creature at the beginning
of time apparently trying to wipe out the whole of human history, and of
course plenty of gratuitous violence.
(As a matter of interest. I’ve got a ‘Best of Robert
Silverberg’ collection containing the 20,000 word novella Hawksbill Station
which was published in 1967. He then expanded that into the novel a couple of
years later. Interesting coincidence.)
Just for a change.
Yeah, just for a change [laughs].
You’re a full time writer now
- how long since you made the switch?
This is my second summer, just
starting, where I’m not doing what I did before, which was contract grass
cutting. I went through about 10, 15
years working in engineering, but ended up going self-employed round about
1987. I set up my own business, cutting
grass, cutting trees, all that sort of thing.
It was great as far as being a writer was concerned, as you go
out in the summer and do all this work and when it dies off in the
winter you sit down at the word processor.
I’ve been trying very hard to
think of anyone else who has gone from small press publication short stories to
US hardback [Gridlinked is due out in the USA in autumn 2003].
It’s a funny old route I’ve
taken - bloody long one, I know that.
Have you seen any of those articles I’ve done on my website - there’s
one on there that was written before I was taken up by Macmillan, how I’d
worked my way up through the small press from endless rejections to stories
being accepted and magazines folding to stories being accepted and getting a
free copy of the magazine to some money and gradually up and up. … all the
Tanjen stuff was great.
What happened? They don’t seem to have any presence online
at all.
They’re dead. He couldn’t win, despite
quality production - if you see a copy of The Engineer, it was beautifully
done. It’s very difficult to start up a
publishing company where you come up against the big companies. It’s not about the product, it’s about the
distribution. You get someone like
Macmillan, they’ll send catalogues out and the bookshop will order loads of
different things and they’ll all go in a box to go out to the shop.
Whereas, if you are a little publisher, they say ‘ok , we’ll have that’ so
you’ve got to get one book there. Not cost effective – it just doesn’t work.
And another one’s just gone - Big Engine.
Very frustrating.
It’s hard work. You’ve got to do it in such a way that you
are not constantly losing money, pumping money in with no return. The Tanjen books
were really good compared to those produced by some large publishers. You’ve probably had it happen - you buy this
lovely looking book from Smiths, read it once and the second time the
pages are falling out. I’ve got that
with my copy of The Use of Weapons [by Iain M. Banks]. But unfortunately
quality production isn’t enough.
>Question here? What are you reading at the
moment?
I wonder if because you write
stuff you’re critical faculties are geared up a little bit higher. I find it harder and harder to get hold of
something that I enjoy reading, which is why it’s lovely to pick up an Alastair
Reynolds book or a Richard Morgan.
Altered Carbon is one of those books where you don’t get time to take a
breath. It drags you straight in there.
It’s great.
One could say yours are a
little similar. They’re pretty non-stop.
Thank you very much
I definitely enjoyed the
Skinner better than the other two.
Kevin Patrick Mahoney (GENre
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Nook/1082/genreindex.html ) says that he thinks
that the Skinner is the best of them all.
I tend to agree.
Is that because it’s a bit
freer from what you’ve written before?
Because it’s set so much later?
With a stand alone book I’ve
got no constraints. I can just let myself go. I found that with The Line of
Polity I had to keep referring back. I
find it very hard to kill my characters as well, so I tend to find things for
them to do, which I shouldn’t, really.
That’s changing a bit now.
You’ve mentioned Banks
already. I’ve read reviews which compare
your work with his Culture. Do you feel
that’s valid?
Yeah, you can compare it, but
it’s not so much that. I read Banks, and
when I actually consider what could happen in the future and how things would
run, what he has done with the Culture is absolutely right. We make machines to
do things better than we do them - all our tools, everything. A pair of pliers is made to grip better,
harder than you can. We’re making thinking machines now, so it’s going to reach
a point where we are going to get machines that can think better than us and
they will naturally take over. Now,
whether they take over in a violent manner or not or whatever, it will happen.
You’ll have AI managers and they’re just going to be better at managing,
they can be on the job 24x7 can’t they?
They don’t have to go and get slaughtered on a Friday night and have a
hangover. It just struck me as perfectly
logical - and what a way to go. I’ve got a cynical view of human nature. You’ve just got to read the papers and look
at the news to have that confirmed and it’s almost like I can’t think of a way
where we could govern ourselves without stuffing it up.
Another view of what might
happen comes from people like Vernor Vinge, who seems to expect that some time
in the next 20 to 50 years that we’re all going to go pop because the machines
won’t need us.
The Singularity - the AI
snowball effect, where it takes the whole lot over. There’s that view. Another one comes out in Cowl. It’s directly related to what’s very topical
at the minute with SARS, that we are breeding stronger diseases and weaker
humans. You can see it with things like
MRSAs in hospitals and the use of antibiotics, making bugs that are resistant
to antibiotics; like giving rat poison to rats.
It’ll kill 998 out of a thousand but then the two that remain are
resistant to rat poison, and they breed.
We’re doing that with bugs and bugs are in the billions. So a possible future is that plague scenario.
So we all end up as slurry
again, back to the primordial.
Yeah - working our way up
again. Unless we get off this planet.
That has been an eternal
theme of science fiction, hasn’t it?
That we have to get our eggs out of the one basket.
There’s another one in
Cowl. A far future human is
talking to a guy from 100 years in our future whilst they are both standing
looking out over the carboniferous forests.
The far future human says ‘you were provided in your time with massive
amounts of fossil fuels and you squandered them instead of using them to get
off the planet.’
Fossil fuels power our
technology and we’re just powering ourselves nowhere. It’s a bit depressing really. You get a war and everyone gets motivated -
not necessarily the present one, but a real crisis and everyone gets
motivated. If you could just apply that
same kind of motivation to a project for the human race wouldn’t it be good?
In Gridlinked, Mr Crane is
insane. Unless something like that
happens to a Golem, are they going to be moral people?
I was just about to say ‘you’re
going to go all “Three Laws of Robotics” on me aren’t you?’
No, basically. The book I’m on now is called Brass Man. You
can possibly guess what might be going on there but I’ve been getting into that
a bit, about the Golem and the assumption - that Trekkie assumption - that the
android with his positronic brain is always morally a good guy who won’t kill
anybody and all that nonsense. I
like it when you have all that, and then the android does the unexpected.
When a person is faced up against a Golem and says ‘you can’t kill me’ and the
Golem says ‘why?’ Thump.
An article in Foundation was
talking about Star Trek, asking why there weren’t any gays or lesbians in their
perfect universe.
It’s got to be fear of failing
to sell. A lot of people are very
bigoted; you get a knee jerk reaction about it all. I went through a period where I was thinking
‘should I make Gant and Thorn gay lovers?’
Then I thought that I don’t have much sex in my books anyway - makes all
the pages sticky - and wondered why I was thinking that. In reality, I don’t want to go exploring all
those issues anyway. I’m writing
Schwarzenegger fiction.
I did notice there was a bit more justification for
Skellor in this book, rather than that he’d just gone mad and lost it like
Pelter in Gridlinked.
Yeah, you have to look a bit
more behind the characters, but I think my biggest fear in doing too much of
that is that I don’t want to bore the reader.
Yes, some people want more justification, they want to know more about
the history of the characters - was Arian Pelter abused by his father - but how
deep should I go? What kind of fiction
am I writing? I’m writing action-centred
science fiction with big boys’ toys and alien creatures and so forth. I don’t want to get that wrapped up in the
psychology.
There’s something to be said
for the idea that some people just are bad.
Just downright bad [laughs],
that’s how he is, full stop.
You say you don’t like
killing off characters. It seems to me
your protagonists are getting a bit invulnerable.
Yeah, there’s a big danger
there. I’ve seen it in a lot of fiction
where you make your characters invulnerable and it destroys the story.
They end up wandering around
fighting monsters they can kill with one punch.
One of the chapter starts in
Gridlinked, which I reread just recently, was saying that: you’d think with the
big increases in wonderful technology for the police, for security,
military, this kind of thing, that you’d reach a stage where the criminal just
can’t do anything. Obviously it’s just
not like that because your criminals are going to be in an arms race with the
people who are trying to stop them. So,
yeah, I can make my characters more invulnerable, the good guys, but then you
make the bad guys like that as well. It
just takes a few more exploding moons and so on to finish the baddies
off.
In fact, whilst everyone from
Mika to Gant to Skellor are getting stronger, Cormac seems to be intentionally
made …
Human.
And that’s a product of his
choice, to do that, to weaken himself, in a certain sense.
Choice. I think his choice was taken way from him.
As far as having the gridlink
taken way, yes but in Polity there is discussion of how he has chosen to need
sleep and a reference to the fact that he is silver haired.
He’s staying human.
It seems unusual to find
someone like Alastair Reynolds who is actually a scientist working in science
fiction.
Is it though? Asimov.
Yeah, you can come up with a
list of writers who are scientists.
You get people coming in from
all different directions. There’s a
literary side of it, and perhaps people involved in that are going to lean more
towards the fantastic, not going to be quite so much on the practical
technological elements. Then you get people
coming from the other side who are. Most
writers are not from practical professions, though.
Perhaps it’s partially a
product of the New Wave period which was so much about writing literate
fiction, with the emphasis more on being a good writer than a good
technologist.
You’ve got to be both though, in
the end.
It is a broad enough field
that you can have people like Ursula K Le Guin, who isn’t so dependent on the
tech, despite inventing the ansible.
Ansible / Runcible.
So was that a sound alike?
No, yes, maybe. I tracked
down a nonsense word from Edward Lear. It was close to ansible so I used it for
the instantaneous transport system. But you do often get similar ideas
surfacing separately. I’ve talked
about this to Alastair Reynolds, and had a brief exchange with China
Meiville on the subject. In some
sense there seem to be ideas which have their time. Everybody goes ‘Einstein,
wonderful chap, came up with the theory of relativity and so on’ but if
Einstein hadn’t been there, somebody else would have done it within the same
period because the time is ready for the idea, everything is coming together at
that time. The same thing happens in the science fiction world.
To a certain extent, you have
to understand a certain amount of jargon before you can make a lot of progress
in science fiction. SF jargon, like
knowing what a positronic robot is; we all know Asimov invented that and that
the three laws of robotics came from there.
I’ve found it with my wife
reading my books. She had never read SF
before, and nor had her family; just hearing how people who don’t read science
fiction try to read it. They tend to get hauled up. The advice I give is that
when you come to something you don't understand, just skip it. It normally comes out in the story anyway,
doesn’t it? It’s like AI – it should
be obvious in the context. Then again, you go to the farming community
around here and AI is artificial insemination.
Also, I had Gridlinked reviewed by some readers on BBC
Essex. They had a book club thing where
the readers would all go off to read a book then come back to talk about it
on air. They weren’t science fiction readers and they all came back talking
about A-ones.
You find that science fiction writers form a conversation
across decades, in the way that they are influenced by each other and carry
ideas forward. You could suggest that
Bank’s Culture was a product of a certain era and maybe in ten years time we’ll
feel that what you’re writing now is an answer to that, or a reflection on
that.
Like having Golem androids that
go around ripping people’s heads off is an answer to the three laws of
robotics? It also ties into the idea
that certain things come out in their time.
Nanotechnology came into SF x years back and subsequent development of the
ideas of nanotechnology has made it more organic, a thing that grows root-like
and plant-like. They come out in their
time. In Line of Polity, the Occam Razor
starship is taken over by Jain technology.
I’d written that when I hadn’t read an Alastair Reynolds book. Then I
pick up Redemption Ark - same bloody thing, isn’t it! Space ship taken over by this organic
technology growing through it. How
spooky is that? And a major character in
his book is also called Thorn. Go
figure!
Do you find that names come
easily to you?
I find that I’ll bring a
character in and just think of something and write it down, thinking that if
it’s not good enough, I can just change it.
Then I start writing with it and it gets acquired by the story. Once I’ve been writing with a name for a bit,
I don’t want to change it, because that is that person. Kevin Patrick Mahoney commented on Line of
Polity about how the name Skellor made him think of Skeletor from Masters of the
Universe. Now, there’s was a little bit
of deliberate manipulation in that name – a bit like skeleton. I started using
it and I thought at one point ‘bit too much like Skeletor, I must change
that’. I was going to change it to
something like Skellan. I kept going
through it and reached the point where I couldn’t change it because he was
Skellor. Cormac is Irish for champion, so that was deliberate, but most of
them, I just bang them in because I want to get on with the story.
In Gridlinked you make a
reference to an anti gravity car that looks like a Ford Cortina. It made me wonder why on Earth they would
remember a late 20th century car.
Science fiction, even though
we’re supposed to be writing about the future, actually reflects the time we
live in. All you’ve got to do is come
into pubs like this and look around and there’s this attraction to the past,
these old things which, at the time, were crap.
The Ford Cortina was crap but 10, 20, 50 years down the line - ‘god,
that’s a Ford Cortina you’ve got there! Do it up, it’ll be worth a fortune.’ Kit cars always have a bit of the look of old
sports cars, that kind of attitude, and I thought, well I could do a Model T
Ford, which I have done in some of my short stories, or choose something which
is really famous in our time or worthy from the past like a Rolls Royce Silver
Shadow, but no, fuck it, Ford Cortina go for it. I’m from Essex and I don’t care.
When I was writing that down
on my list of questions I wondered whether it was meant to be a Ford Prefect
reference.
No, you’re reading too much into
it. You get an awful lot of that, I
find. There are authors scattered all
over the world reading reviews of their books and thinking ‘god, I didn’t
realise I was so clever!’ I read a
review online of Mason’s Rats. The
stories took the idea of what may be going to evolve intelligence next. Rats are getting pretty close to being tool
users, they’ve got little hands and everything, and I just displaced it a
little bit into the future. I thought I
could play with that, have a little bit of fun with the idea, which I did. Basically, I just enjoyed myself for a
bit. Then there’s this review - it was
almost as long as the three stories.
Reading through it, it was going on about the political meanings and the
deep meanings of this and the deep meanings of that and I’m thinking ‘fuck me,
you’re talking bollocks’.
One of the reviews I read
makes a reference to the Skinner’s head …
That’s another one of those
things. I know what you’re talking
about, The Thing. As soon as I read it I
thought, yeah, you’re right, but it doesn’t come consciously though, it’s just
what looks good.
Well, I’m not familiar with
the movie so it didn’t occur to me at all.
In any case, the Skinner is probably the best visualised character,
thing, in your work.
The initial short story,
‘Spatterjay’, came from a dream. I had
this dream about some people on a beach and these big, long, horrible hands
coming out and grabbing somebody and taking them and then something horrible
capering off into the distance. Then
there was another bit where some people are standing on a bridge, looking down
into a stream and in the back of my mind, in this dream, I know it’s an alien
world. In the stream there’s some
trout, but all of a sudden one rears this leech head out of the water and
drops back down again and you realise no, not trout.
Africa Zero is a completely
separate setting.
Yes, totally.
It’s a great concept.
But not entirely original.
I guess there are people who would feel the need to be thought of as utterly
original. Well, that doesn’t bother me a
vast amount. All I want to be thought of
is entertaining. But thinking about how things relate to different books,
Africa Zero has a combination of influences - it ventured into a world
like that in World Enough and Time by James Kahn. It’s got a bit of the feel of that, but also of
a lovely book, Mountains of the Moon which I was reading at the time
- not science fiction, it’s about botanists in Africa. The book is wonderful, the stuff you’re
reading about in there. As you’ll
probably realise, I’m heavily into the ecologies and biology of things. On Mountains of the Moon they don’t
have heathers, they have heather trees, and the lobelias are giant lobelias.
It was that book and the James Kahn which was the feeling of Africa Zero,
where I went with it.
Do you think you’ll go back
to that setting?
I want to go back to them all -
I just haven’t the time. Everybody picks
up on their favourite bit and says ‘why don’t you do a book about
that?’ There’s loads of places I want to
revisit like that, and I want to create some new ones, but it’s getting the
time to do it all.
Do you think you’ll ever go
back to your early fantasy books which are in the drawer?
Well, I’m perpetually ahead of
the game with the publisher - Cowl was delivered way before time. Brass Man, which is due next March, I’m
definitely more than half way through.
I’d like to be in a position where I’m a year ahead of the game and then
I can turn around and look at these other things. I’d like to rework the fantasy totally - and
I’ve got a contemporary one as well.
That’s part of the question,
really. Have you gone so far beyond what
you were capable of when you wrote those that it starts looking …
Yeah, the fantasy, there’s so
much more to do there. You learn such huge amounts. Obviously, I’ve been
writing these stories for a long time and mostly, the only feedback you get is
people saying they liked it or they didn’t or that they publish it or they
don’t. You get no editing help, really,
until you get taken up by a big publisher. With Macmillan, the manuscript went
in to Peter Lavery and he gets his pencil out. You think you’ve got it fined
down perfectly, but every sentence he’s on there with that bloody
pencil. When he sent the manuscript back the first time, he sent a
rubber along with it and said ‘take on board what you want to take on board.’
That was the attitude, but I learnt so much more in that process. I’ve learnt
more in the last few years doing this than I learnt in the ten before that.
With the editing at Macmillan,
you get two lots. Peter goes through it
and does his bit and you go through it making the alterations you want,
discarding the bits you don’t want, changing bits where he’s got the wrong end
of the stick. That’s essential, because
if he’s got the wrong end of the stick, you haven’t written it clearly
enough. You go through all that and then
it goes back and the copy editor goes through it and it comes back to you
again. There’s a lot of house style
involved in it plus picking up bits that have been missed by Peter, I guess.
>Question?
It’s a lonely, introvert
pursuit, which can be quite difficult to maintain and then the bastard thing
is, when you’re successful at it they want you to be an extrovert. ‘Come and stand in front of 30 people and
read your story’.
>Question?
You have to train yourself - but
people write in different ways.
Do you have a plot outline
when you start?
No.
A big idea - like the
Skinner?
A lot of it happens at the
processor. Other writers do it totally
differently, plan it out with little bits of paper stuck on a notice
board ‘this is what happens and then this’.
If I try to do that I get bored
with it because I know what’s going to happen.
I will have images - I’ll think ‘I want this image’. The sails was one in The Skinner. I know I’ve got to have this, got to use this
image, but then I’ve got to create the world to justify it. You can’t just use it and that’s it.
>Question?
I try to stick to this idea of
doing x words a day - and I’ve read it in so many author interviews, that they
do this much writing a day and I think to myself ‘If you’re doing that much and
these are your books, have you lost some in between?’ When I’m steaming into a book - when I was
doing Line of Polity and The Skinner, when I was in the creative writing
process, I was averaging 10,000 words a week, going on like that, but it
doesn’t last. Once you’ve done all that
you’ve got loads of editing, going over and over it. Then, of course, it
goes off to the various editors and comes back, and you spend weeks doing that.
Then there’s synopses or a blurbs. I don’t actually do 10,000 a week every
week. I am trying to get back to that gold
standard with the one I’m doing at the moment and failing miserably.
Of course, today this is my
fault, dragging the writer away from his desk.
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